Inocencio February 22, at 2: Thank you for the clarification. Take care and God bless, Inocencio Anonymous February 22, at 2: Let me rephrase that: If the annulment tribunals were using that reason, I could see the jump as legitimate.
As I hear a lot more about psychological defects, I doubt it. Anonymous July 30, at 6: How about this Martina marries Robert in civil marriage matrimony. Martina is catholic Robert is apparently Episcopal. Martina would never marry Robert until he was clean of drugs. However she has no time to think and she either marries or loses Robert forever because she has to leave the country.
She is not ready to give up on her love for Robert so she marries. After 3 years of Robert being in and out of jail, Martina decides this marriage is not going anywhere and due to her health problems she will get divorce and leaves the country.
How is this marriage valid in catholic church? During the 3 years of the marriage they barely spend time together as Roberts drug addiction drives him to steal and back to jail. Martina had no idea this was going to happen, she knew Robert for 4 years from letters. She prays hard to meet someone decent. She meets Shaun who is also divorced, he was married to internationally as well but his wife cheated on him repeatedly with several other man was married twice before d, she leaves for one of them and files for divorce.
Shaun did no wrong in this relationship. Martina brings Shaun to catholic church and they become regular. In fact he has read the bible more then her.
They want to get married in catholic church but the priest says that Shaun needs an annulment. His wife again re-married for the 4th time, and is divorced again. She obviously does not accept marriage as a life time commitment. But Shaun is penalized for something he had no knowledge of? How come Catholic church recognizes his civil marriage as valid, when his spouse would be technically still married to the first man as she as atheist never needed annulment to re-marry???
What is your position on this story? Martina and Shaun are driven to marry outside of the church again. What will happen then about validating their marriage?
Esquire July 30, at 6: She apparently decided that she valued her relationships with Robert and then Shaun more than she valued her relationship with the Church. If we do, we might conclude that divorce is permitted only for adultery, but under the Old Testament, the penalty for adultery is death, so the literal view would command the execution of all persons against whom a divorce is obtained. Divorce, for its civil effects, is sometimes necessary to the health and safety of a party, and may be justifiable for other reasons as well.
It is subsequent attempt at remarriage that must be examined. Cf September 9, at How about this senario. Two practicing catholics are married to two differant people. They have never meet before. They both have children and 15 year marriages.
Their spouses have extramarital affairs and leave the two for the other person. A couple of years later the two people meet and now want to marry. The civil divorces are final and the two that were the victims of adultrey wish to marry and start a life together. Why should they have to go through the 2nd divorce process annullment before they can be together in the eyes of the church?
Monday, September 10, Would you please join Bai by adding your name to her letter to five authorities This is very long, and normally I would not put something this long on my blog.
I have decided that this one is worth passing on, to help Karl. Please keep him in prayer, with his family. If you are interested, Bai Macfarlane has her email address included. Please write to her and let her know. Sep 9, 7: Would you please join me by adding your name to my letter to five authorities Dear Group and friends.
Would you join your name to mine as I send a letter to four Roman Catholic Church authorities with this message: The Catholic Church appears to care nothing about marriage when it remains silent in the wake of millions of unjust divorces in the United States. We faithful have no answer for Karl see attached letters so long as professed Catholic abandoning spouses, like his wife, are never advised, at the time of their unjust marital abandonment, that they are even doing anything wrong.
Signed Bai Macfarlane, founder Marriage Advocates. My youngest daughter is very troubled by my recent formal defection from the faith and her heartbreak hurts me very deeply. This is yet another fruit of the handiwork of the Catholic Church. I have encouraged our daughter to have her mother contact this priest so that he may hear her pleas and perhaps give her some guidance. I have no delusions that this communication will have any other effect on my situation but I have made it clear to our daughter to let her mother know that I would only accept a Rotal hearing of any new case.
I am morally certain of the complete corruption of the American Tribunals in every single case and would trust none of them, at all. Likely, now, if I was told that there must be a hearing in the United States, I would probably refuse to take part and I would tell them that I would only cooperate with a Roman hearing of the case. She could have her annulment in the United States.
It would be meaningless before God and that that would have to suffice for me. To Whom It May Concern: In late , I wrote and spoke to the pastor of the church of my baptism and requested that he make a notation on my Baptismal Record of my defection from the Catholic Church. This came sixteen years after I was divorced against my will in Davenport, Iowa and lost everything including complete custody of our five precious children, when I refused to accept the authority of the civil court over our marriage.
My wife was advised to divorce me and to seek an annulment by a priest still attached to the diocese of Davenport, as best I know. I was never given the opportunity to speak to this priest except after I found out about his actions and called him, whereupon he soundly criticized me for wanting to heal our marriage and told me I should start my own Church because I certainly did not know what the Catholic Church taught. I defended our valid Sacrament through three successive tribunals, the final two being separate panels of auditors from the Roman Rota.
The final decision was published, I believe, in December and concurred with the earlier Rotal panel which had decided against nullity, in opposition to the decision reached by the Davenport trio of judges in July All of this was to no avail as from the beginning of our marital difficulties the clergy of the Catholic Church have openly and consistently encouraged my wife and her lover to violate our vows and do so to this day.
It is a disgrace. The tribunal system is corrupt and the pastoral practices of the Catholic Church are hell-bent against those who want to save their marriages or heal those which have been wounded. I was taught from childhood that marriage was for life. My discouragement and hopelessness is so thorough that I am contemplating abandoning Christianity altogether.
This, I know, will NEVER be the coarse chosen by the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, which is not interested in helping those who are already mortally, unjustly, wounded. It would rather take the convenient way out and focus on prevention.
The Catholic Church is in grave error and is actively destroying lives and marriages with its pastoral practices and its tribunal system. A million valid annulments do not justify a single valid marriage being violated.
Our marriage was destroyed by the Catholic Church in cooperation with my wife, her lover, her family and their friends. I begged for help from the Catholic Church for years and years and years only to be ignored. Simply put, the end was used to justify the means and since justice delayed is justice denied, I am now a former Catholic. This is simply murder by another name made legal by the state and morally justified by the Catholic Church.
Go ahead, continue to ignore the Rotal allocution of John Paul II when he taught that an accurate decision on nullity was BOTH just and pastoral and the teaching of as solid a Theologian and Canonist as Cormac Burke, the Retired Rotal auditor, when he wrote that a decision in favor of validity was an indication of the need to accept it and to heal the sacrament.
How many more valid marriages, spouses and children will you destroy to run your annulment mills so efficiently? I have no desire to receive a reply from this letter because I already know what it will say. I have been told the same since Nor do I have a desire to return to this imposter of a Catholic Church.
Your marriage initiative is a sham. You bishops are corrupted to the core, to the man, by a degenerate culture. You pay lip service against it but your pastoral and tribunal practices bear witness to your true intent. However, since there are so few good Catholics left, who have not been absorbed by the culture of death which the Church secretly espouses yet publicly eschews, there is no real opposition to your diabolical actions.
There is not a single good shepherd among you, not one. As a final note, because this is going to Spero and may be published, to be accurate: I have sought the intercession of the Catholic Church in order to bring about a reconciliation between spouses. It has been said that for the Catholic Church to excommunicate a person like those involved in unjust divorces would prevent the adulterers from exercising their will, freely.
Nor did the Catholic Church consider that I was completely opposed to any annulment hearing. So, again, my free will was not worth consideration. An excommunication does not, in any way, inhibit the choice faced by an adulterer, which is to repent and heal their marriage, if they really are intending on following the teachings of the Catholic Church. To say that it does otherwise is disingenuous of the Catholic Church.